He was appointed as NZ National Kumite coach from 1990 - 1992, coaching teams for the Asian Pacific Championships in Auckland NZ and the World Karate Federation championships in Mexico. He then turned his attention to refereeing, qualifying as an Oceania A grade Kata and Kumite referee.
In 1997, to further his study of karate and kobudo, he turned to Okinawa and was introduced to Sensei Yoshitaka Taira of Matsubayashi Ryu
. He has returned every year since and in 2005 was graded Sixth Dan, Renshi, Matsubayashi Ryu